If "church attendance in not compulsory," then why are people being disfellowshipped right and left merely for becoming inactive and ceasing attendance at the Kingdom Hall?
"....you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..."
with those two short, sweet, words of the nh supreme court, the berry girls 4-year fight to hold the wts responsible has come to an abrupt and bitter end.. a preliminary scan of the opinion indicates a virtual slam-dunk victory for the wts, although there was one dissenting justice out of the four on one issue only, the only female justice of the four.
(coincidence?
hmmm......).
If "church attendance in not compulsory," then why are people being disfellowshipped right and left merely for becoming inactive and ceasing attendance at the Kingdom Hall?
"....you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..."
i stopped into a local grocery store with my boyfriend and as we were squeezing the brocolli, i hear a big "hi" behind me.
for the life of me i couldn't remember her name.
it was a "sister" from my used-to-be congo.
It is quite odd how JWs apply their rules. Rocky and I have been shunned by congregation members for many years, just because we quit going to meetings. Now that he is DF'd, there really has been little change. The biggest change has been in contact with JW family members (his brother & sister-in-law, my half-brother and sis-in-law, my sister, my parents). They are all taking a strict approach to the shunning policy. My mother will not call my house for fear Rocky will answer the phone. The congregation and Rocky's family are shunning me, even though I have not formally been DF'd or DA'd. My dad and half-brother will not talk to either of us, but my mother and sister will continue to talk to me until something if formally announced at the KH, although they must call me without my father's knowledge.
omg!
we put an offer on a house in hawaii (kaumana estates subdivision above hilo town on the e side of the big island).
the offer was accepted and now we're jumping through all of the hoops.. it's not the dream house.
Ooo Brenda, don't confine yourself to rice and beans! There is also Saimin...so many things you can do with saimin and it is inexpensive. Today I made a salad with saimin, soy sauce, sesame seed paste, mirin (sweet rice cooking wine), rice vinegar, sesame oil, green onions and shredded carrots. Folks at work went crazy over it (we had a potluck today) and it was so easy and inexpensive to make. So very ono. Aloha
Linda, aka Mrs Rocky2 (not Hawaiian, but could play one on TV)
the jw literature likes so much illustrations.
some are really wrong.
for example the following illustration:.
In the Watchtower series Jesus Life and Ministry, the illustration for the story Plucking Grain on the Sabbath (WT 07/15/86 pp 8, 9) shows Jesus and his disciples 'walking through' the wheat fields. Rocky wrote a letter to the Society after the WT article was published in 1986 pointing out the farmer's point of view. A farmer would definitely raise objections to people walking through their ready to harvest wheat. So the illustration did not really show the point of the Pharisees accusations, that of working on the Sabbath. To our surprise, the illustration was changed. Compare the original illustration to that which was published in the book The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived Ó 1991, Story 31 . The illustration is essentially the same except that 'walking through' the fields now shows Jesus and his disciples walking on a pathway lined with a short stone wall. We don't know if it was Rocky's letter that effected that change but it did give us a period of time where we were lulled into believing someone really listened at WT. Amazing how they can change an illustration in a book on a seemingly minor point, but cannot change their policy on protecting children.
darling mother asks me often 'so you're definitely going to all the meetings?
and you're not doing this just to get your family back, right?
you actually want to be a witness?
What to do? I have a life long rail pass already purchased on my mother's guilt trip train! Rocky said I should reverse shun her for telling our daughter not to talk to her DF'd dad and that she will continue to talk to me until the local congregation makes an announcement to formally DF me too. But it's so hard not to hop on that train when an 81-year old granny lays into you! I sure hope I don't do that to my kids!
Mrs R
i have been contacted by an international award winning producer of documentaries and films for television.. .
do you know of anybody or are you currently involved with disciplinary action taken by the elders, or have you recently been "invited" to a judicial hearing?.
do you know of any young witness who has "reached out" of the organization for social support in defiance of wt training.. .
For any of you who might be hesitant to take your story public, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Rocky and I went public in our local paper (actually 2 county papers) with a letter to the editor. We have had nothing but positive feedback and support from our community (neighbors, business contacts, people we don't even know). Some of the comments from our community have been that of admiration for our courage, appreciation for bringing the problem of child molestation to the public's attention, commendation for standing up for the innocent, and sympathy for losing our family. We have been shunned by many of our JW family members for quite some time just for not going to meetings at the Kingdom Hall (seven years and counting). The rest of our JW family is now faced with choosing WT rules to shun or listening to their hearts and making a stand on this issue. We have nothing left to lose. Going public with our story gave the SilentLambs cause publicity. We have had no regrets. So don't be afraid! There are really good people out there in the world!
Linda, aka Mrs Rocky2
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i was trying to fade, and thought i had done so successfully for the past 18months.. i have just received a call from my dad saying it will be announced tomorrow that i have been disfellowshipped... can they do this???.
chok.
Yes, they can make an announcement at the KH that you are 'no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses.' Consequences of DA or DF are the same. What's really interesting is that they don't tell you an announcement has been made to the congregation. Rocky's announcement was made June 7. As far as I know, they have not made an announcement concerning me, but none of the elders has called to tell me I am married to a DF'd person. You'd think I might want to know? or that maybe they should DF me too?
so, i'm sitting here sorting out my recycling since tomorrow is trash day, and i remembered something that happened years ago that gave me a chuckle.. it was a sunday botchtower study and the topic was things that we should be doing to prepare for life in the new system.
even as a child, i didn't answer from the magazine and they never knew just what i was going to say; they would usually not let me hold the mic myself just for that reason... .
i had been learning about recycling to preserve our natural resources in school (6th grade, i was 10) and had my comment ready to go:.
Try living in the middle of basically nowhere. There is no convenient way to dispose of waste as there is no municipal sanitary pickup. We compost kitchen waste, reuse glass, and take everything else to the recyling station that we cannot reuse. It is not particularly convenient. It definitely makes me consider my purchases when I have to find a way to dispose of packaging. I prefer glass over tin and by bulk when it is available.
I have no scientific/technical data to back my belief, but I do believe there is a shortage of places to dispose of garbage - no one wants a stinky garbage dump in their back yard.
on saturday just past went to an open flea market, browsing around, looking for things to buy, goodies to eat and the like.
passing a religious books stand, i just stopped to see if there was anything worth reading.
noticed something on the flood but didn't take it as it wasn't anything substantial.....so the chap behind the table asks me if i read my bible.....i started feeling nauseous from then.
That's how I feel with over zealous religious folks...I am not going to go from one form of intense mind control to another.
LOL Kwin - I like to tell people that I am Neo Pagan or Zen Christian!
the following was posted at my guest list the other day, by a producer of a new documentary that is pro-witness and may go out on pbs.
i'm joel engardio, director of the project.
joel .
AlanF - that is an awesome letter!